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the oldest

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and strongest human emotion is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon strickler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural come

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on board as we begin this

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adventure together

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio where we

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explore the unexplained

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live on beyond explanation i'm your host

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lon strickler coming to you

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from the anomalous state of pennsylvania

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you know tonight

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going to be similar to what the 14th and

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setup is going to be so uh you get a

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uh if i can get three and it should be

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so tonight i welcome phantoms of

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monsters 14 research investigators

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butch witkowski rob shaw and ryan fusco

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so arcane radio

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now butch witkowski is a ufo paranormal

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of pennsylvania

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based in birdsboro pennsylvania ryan

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fusco is a paranormal cryptid and ufo

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based in pittsburgh pennsylvania and rob

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shell is an experienced 14 investigator

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based in point pleasant west virginia

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our team and affiliate investigator

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oh absolutely lion's honor and a

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privilege to be here with you gentlemen

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thank you man

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appreciate it sir so uh

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i'm gonna first start off with butch and

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kind of give us a a briefing of what

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you've been doing

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and what's been going on in your neck of

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the woods lately

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well first of all go get a haircut yeah

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well i'm not gonna do until i get my

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shot

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yeah i uh i i i look i'm ready to go

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down and get it done

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right now but matt i could i kept

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suggesting the bad about getting it done

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and he says no so i'm he's the boss so

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i'm

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gonna listen to him well

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i got two updates uh the first one i'm

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going to talk about a little bit

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the ufo reported flying over the

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american airlines airbus

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at cruising altitude which was recorded

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by a ham operator of the whole

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conversation well

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yesterday the faa refuted the fact that

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that even took place

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which is kind of weird because it's an

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second the missing eight tourists in the

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ural mountains over in russia

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there's uh eight individuals

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who did not get a permit to go to that

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site where the diet loft

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incident took place uh in mount orton

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so they were supposed to report in

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on the 10th of february

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no nothing from them since

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i did get a hold of a researcher in

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russia

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mainly a ufo guy but you know he said he

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would look into it because he had some

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connections at the

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media outlet ei agency in russia

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in moscow and i heard back from him

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today and he says

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everything it's clammed up just tight as

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a drum

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so he said just from his intuition

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when you know he was a younger fellow

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following the diet loft case

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he said that's exactly what happened one

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that it they just went dark

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and he said now with this deal with the

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eight missing

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they just went dark so that's not good

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in his opinion

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he said they're either lost or they

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already found them

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and they're no longer alive but he's

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going to keep digging and let us know

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what's going on

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and uh which is pretty much about all

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you can ask i mean you're not going to

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get much out of the russians

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i mean that silly thing that they came

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up with on that last and second their

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second investigation

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where they said a slab avalanche caused

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that

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nonsense because first of all there is

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no way

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anybody i know including jesse owens is

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going to outrun an avalanche of any type

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and second the tent's still there so

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what the avalon is jump over the tent

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and the footprints are still there

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leading from the tent down to the tree

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line

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and the the injuries to the bodies

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you know it's just how do you explain

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somebody's head being fractured

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or chest caved in or broken ribs or

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or you know bones and cuts and bruises

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and gashes and missing

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eyes missing tongue and tell me

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that it's hypothermia that killed them

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yeah when the first autopsy report says

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flat out

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it was an unknown compelling force like

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they were hit by a speeding truck

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so you know the avalanche theory went

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out the window because the tent's still

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there there's no sign of an avalanche

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it didn't disrupt the uh footprints

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leading down to the

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to the to the uh

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tree line and another thing why did the

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lead investigator who was only on site

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that day that they would started back in

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when it happened back in february uh

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why did he quit i mean he was russia's

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top-notch

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forensic investigator he was the man

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and after eight hours the guy gets on

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the helicopter and says i quit i'm done

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and he leaves well you know the soviet

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i mean you know they you know you

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you can't really explain much of what

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they ever did back then and

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they they to a degree they're that bad

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back to that

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let's let me get to ryan we'll go back

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to that later because i want to ask you

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a few things about that what your

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opinions are okay

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okay okay so ryan uh what

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what have you been investigating i mean

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we know the case in

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oklahoma and we're gonna have some we

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have some shots

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some uh photo shots that you took there

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why don't you explain what's been going

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on out there

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oh so uh yeah for the most for the most

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part um

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when i was on last time i i think i

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explained uh

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quite a bit of it but uh towards the end

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i didn't really get to say what had been

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had happened out there uh but for who

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whoever didn't read the investigation

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what the i guess what the end game i

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don't even know if this is the end game

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or not but

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anyways i s what i saw with my own eyes

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i did get a lot of it on film um

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they were they were v they were visiting

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they were going in our cars out in the

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parking lot in the driveway

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and um i have pictures of this i have a

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picture of a

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something sitting in the front of a

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truck um it's not human

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you can tell because it's i mean you can

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see its eye and you know anyways

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um they were coming in every 10 minutes

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changing

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um i guess entities it was it was very

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crazy

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um i couldn't believe i couldn't believe

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what i was seeing um

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but when we went outside to confront

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them there was four of us

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they didn't say one word to us and

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if you shined a light on them or a

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camera

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they would look like vegetation it was

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it was pretty weird but you could

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literally just sit there and stare at

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them you could see them

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i mean right they were right there it

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was pretty wild um

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but uh yeah that's what they were doing

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i don't know they were just

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it looks like they were just taking

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tours that's honestly what

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it looked like they were doing but uh

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after that i got home

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um it started on december 1st some weird

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stuff started at my house and then

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um basically

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i pretty much brought something back

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with me um that i'm guessing

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yeah but i was talking with david

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eckhart we were

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for the last couple months here and me

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and him got something similar going on

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so i mean for right now like especially

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the stuff that's been

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i have taken through the front door and

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stuff like that

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so but what what do these entities look

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the ones in oklahoma are the ones not

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the one in oklahoma

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even the ones you got out at your place

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oh the the ones that

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okay the one and there was two main ones

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they were

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that were bringing the groups in the one

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was a lady i have a photo of her

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um it looks like a cartoon though it's

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so weird um

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she had orange glowing skin she had

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black polka dots and she wore sunglasses

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and whenever we were in the basement of

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the house

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um she they waved to us and smiled at us

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and i was like holy crap it was crazy

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and then uh

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so um

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the other one had a red jacket on and he

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had big tall stalks coming out of his

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head

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and he had blue jeans on but i mean

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every time i would say something to him

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they wouldn't say anything they would

305
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just sit there and stare at us

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so it was pretty wild um but then

307
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the ones i got on out here they just

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i don't know they look odd they just

309
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don't they don't look like anything that

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would come up in any abduction stories

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or

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contact cases i've ever heard of any

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none of it

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it's crazy so some of the um some of the

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images that you

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got there was one that looked

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distinctively

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like a canine of some type

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yeah with uh with the white eyes um

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i you know it it wasn't very definitive

321
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but it did have the shape of a canine

322
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but the one that interested me the most

323
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was the glimmer man or glimmer image

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that was in the tree

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and uh you know i

326
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you know this phenomena we have heard

327
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about a lot

328
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but as far as getting photographs

329
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it's you know it's not that easy to get

330
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yeah and uh you know if you think about

331
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the predator movies that's what these

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things look like

333
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and that picture you got looked just

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like that

335
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yeah yeah and that's the crazy part too

336
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is when i took that

337
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i i felt like i was being stared at so

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and i was the only one at the house that

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day that was in the middle of the day

340
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the second day

341
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and i turned around this

342
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the sun was beating on me and then it

343
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was really windy there too because

344
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you know in oklahoma i mean it's windy

345
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so but i turned around and i could

346
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literally see

347
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what i took a photo of it was just an

348
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image doing this

349
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i was like oh my god and my heart

350
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started beating real fast and

351
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i held my camera snapped a picture

352
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and then snapped another one and then i

353
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went to go step forward

354
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and then it moved it it moved its arm

355
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and his leg down like this

356
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and then it just disappeared completely

357
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and i

358
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i was like see ya walk back in the house

359
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but yeah it was pretty wild but his dog

360
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the wild part

361
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his dog listened to me you know i mean i

362
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didn't even know the dog

363
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you know but it would go run after these

364
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things like crazy it was

365
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it was insane i didn't want anything bad

366
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to happen to it but yeah the

367
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dog was a a big part of it out there

368
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because

369
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the first night when i was out there he

370
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was barking like crazy and i didn't

371
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think to go look on the other side of

372
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the house where the second night

373
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whenever we saw that blue lightning yard

374
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i'm like

375
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what the heck was that it just

376
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disappeared and i said

377
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he looked over to the right and he goes

378
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there's a red light in the field over

379
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there

380
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i said i'll go get your i said go get

381
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your uh flashlight

382
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so he goes he gets flashlight comes back

383
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out and there it was

384
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for the first time in my eyes ever um

385
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there they were sitting there i mean i

386
00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:45,440
have a

387
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i have one picture of it two pictures of

388
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it um

389
00:14:52,069 --> 00:14:50,800
they all had the same outfits on they

390
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had

391
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these brown colored outfits and they all

392
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had

393
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green goggles bright goggles on and

394
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they're all moving like this back and

395
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forth and

396
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it was like a wave it was really weird

397
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looking but it was it was amazing to see

398
00:15:07,509 --> 00:15:06,720
you know and then right after that my

399
00:15:10,829 --> 00:15:07,519
phone died

400
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i was like what and it was like 84 so

401
00:15:15,750 --> 00:15:13,360
yeah of course have you talked to the

402
00:15:17,430 --> 00:15:15,760
have you talked to the witness lately

403
00:15:19,189 --> 00:15:17,440
yeah yeah i just talked to him last week

404
00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:19,199
yep yeah there's still stuff going on

405
00:15:21,990 --> 00:15:19,680
out there

406
00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:22,000
so i mean i asked if the same stuff was

407
00:15:25,910 --> 00:15:24,160
happening in the driveway he said yeah

408
00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:25,920
and he said that uh now they were

409
00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:29,199
actually coming inside the house now so

410
00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:31,040
yeah yeah because they were knocking on

411
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their door there you might

412
00:15:36,310 --> 00:15:34,880
has she been trying to get photographs

413
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:36,320
for evidence

414
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i thought i keep telling him to get

415
00:15:41,030 --> 00:15:40,000
better ones because he keeps sending me

416
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blurry ones

417
00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:45,199
and uh it's hard to uh you know um

418
00:15:48,310 --> 00:15:47,680
especially with someone who doesn't he

419
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:48,320
doesn't know

420
00:15:53,269 --> 00:15:51,600
anything about the field at all right um

421
00:15:54,629 --> 00:15:53,279
yeah it's kind of hard to get through

422
00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:54,639
them about it but

423
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um yeah i said you got to get a good a

424
00:15:59,670 --> 00:15:57,759
better photo i said

425
00:16:00,870 --> 00:15:59,680
you know like the dog one that was a

426
00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:00,880
that was a good photo

427
00:16:04,949 --> 00:16:03,120
um especially the one coming out of the

428
00:16:07,269 --> 00:16:04,959
side of the house we actually saw those

429
00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:07,279
it was crazy they were hopping like how

430
00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:08,160
he said

431
00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:10,320
they were hopping like dog it was

432
00:16:13,269 --> 00:16:12,240
strange they were hopping like rap like

433
00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:13,279
rabbits

434
00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:16,720
but they were hopping really high in the

435
00:16:21,030 --> 00:16:18,000
air it was crazy

436
00:16:24,069 --> 00:16:21,040
it was insane to see

437
00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:24,079
well for folks you want to read this the

438
00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:26,160
uh the investigation

439
00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:29,920
it's over at cryptidhunters.org

440
00:16:33,030 --> 00:16:32,560
and the title is investigation glimmer

441
00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:33,040
man

442
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:40,480
oklahoma so um ryan's report is there

443
00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:42,720
the photographs are there so if you want

444
00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:45,199
to look at it just go over and uh

445
00:16:50,949 --> 00:16:48,720
check it out so rob

446
00:16:53,269 --> 00:16:50,959
rob i haven't had on you on the show i

447
00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:53,279
don't think ever i'll be honest with you

448
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:55,519
um no sir what's been going on what's

449
00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:57,360
been going on down at point pleasant

450
00:17:02,470 --> 00:16:58,800
lately

451
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:02,480
but uh

452
00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:04,400
oh man what the last two or three months

453
00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:05,760
it's been really kind of

454
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:08,559
just dead but uh yeah was it this past

455
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:08,959
fall

456
00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:11,199
uh this summer and especially during the

457
00:17:19,829 --> 00:17:17,189
so uh give me an idea of what's been

458
00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:19,839
going on what was going on

459
00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:21,520
the other there's just the unknown craft

460
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:22,880
you know a lot of them i call it uncle

461
00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:23,760
sam or you know

462
00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:26,559
alphabet agency tech it's what you know

463
00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:28,000
my gut feeling is that's a greater

464
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:28,960
majority i'm there

465
00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:30,480
now and we'll see something that's just

466
00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:32,320
really you know just really

467
00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:34,400
out there it's it's not you know you

468
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:35,840
wouldn't call it tech it's a textbook

469
00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:37,120
ufo

470
00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:39,120
but uh we've had a little bit of

471
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:40,559
mysterious uh

472
00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:43,360
vocals you know uh unless howls you know

473
00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:44,480
like i was telling you about

474
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:46,320
uh what was it back during this yeah i

475
00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:48,720
think it was turned uh last fall

476
00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:51,039
you just gnarly howls you know laughs it

477
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:52,400
sounds like a uh

478
00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:53,919
like you know the old school fire you

479
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:55,840
know the big fire sirens you hear

480
00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:58,080
i mean that loud and you you know you

481
00:18:01,110 --> 00:17:58,960
just know in your heart

482
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:01,120
ain't that's not coyotes you know yeah

483
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:03,520
well i listen to the audio

484
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:05,280
yeah i've listened to the audio you

485
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:07,760
collected and those aren't coyotes

486
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:10,080
and those are just aren't dogs i mean

487
00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:12,400
you know this is something

488
00:18:18,310 --> 00:18:15,520
different you know and um

489
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:18,320
you you have been gathering evidence

490
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:20,080
mostly audio evidence

491
00:18:24,789 --> 00:18:22,880
over the years but uh there's something

492
00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:24,799
definitely in those woods around

493
00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:27,760
point pleasant oh god buddy it's it's

494
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:28,400
unreal

495
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:29,760
i mean just something i think the

496
00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:31,760
understatement of the year it seems like

497
00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:32,480
it's

498
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:34,160
i hear stuff from people you you've

499
00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:35,679
never dreamed you know you hear

500
00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:37,039
yeah yeah i mean you know better not you

501
00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:39,200
know better i do you know how it is

502
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:41,840
it's just just when i think i've seen it

503
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:43,039
all out here or something or somebody

504
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:44,559
else calling me man you won't believe

505
00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:45,679
this

506
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:48,960
unbelievable yeah

507
00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:52,640
you know i know you know all the reports

508
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:54,840
i've had in mason county and areas

509
00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:56,000
around

510
00:18:59,830 --> 00:18:58,240
point pleasant over the years i mean

511
00:19:02,310 --> 00:18:59,840
yeah of course every

512
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:02,320
you know it's known for mothman and you

513
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:04,880
know ufos and such but

514
00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:07,520
man i'm telling you the dog man

515
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:08,480
phenomena

516
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:12,799
really picking up there

517
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:16,000
and uh it just seems to be a hot spot

518
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:19,039
for a lot of unexplained anomalies

519
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:23,039
and uh you know i i i have to commend

520
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:23,760
you for

521
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:27,600
you know keeping on it uh and

522
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:29,760
collecting audio and trying to discern

523
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:32,000
what's been going on

524
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:33,840
oh thank you i appreciate it means world

525
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:36,000
to me like i told you a while back i

526
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,120
mean if we had

527
00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:39,039
eight people down here full time i mean

528
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:40,640
you know when stuff cuts loose i think

529
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:42,640
it still would still be overwhelmed but

530
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:44,400
you know how it is it's feast or famine

531
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,280
it's like it

532
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:47,120
here probably just like anywhere else

533
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:48,400
but it might go

534
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:50,240
months and years weeks just about to

535
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:52,160
give it up the next thing you know it's

536
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:54,240
just stuff cuts loose and it's just

537
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:55,679
like i said the unknown craft that's

538
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:57,039
really interesting this stuff been i

539
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:58,880
think like the tr3b type thing you know

540
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,640
we see the deltas and

541
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:02,000
you know triangle look at things and

542
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:03,840
we've got you know the orbs and uh

543
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:05,600
i've got managed to get a good bit of

544
00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:06,960
pictures a lot of it you just can't make

545
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:08,080
sense out of

546
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,840
yeah you're looking especially zooming

547
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,360
in it's you can tell it's not a star

548
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:13,200
it's not a satellite it's

549
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:14,400
like i said most of them when they go

550
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:15,679
over you just kind of get that feeling

551
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:16,880
of something right and since they're

552
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,720
dead quiet i mean absolutely silent

553
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:22,320
and uh we've been seeing a bunch of them

554
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:24,000
here lately well the majority of the

555
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:26,240
ones we see we kind of like 36 one night

556
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:27,760
it was of course around the 24th the

557
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,720
25th

558
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:30,159
i think we gave up about two o'clock in

559
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:32,000
the morning but they looked it looks

560
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:32,400
like a

561
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:34,400
just a star that just don't look right

562
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:35,760
it might be just a little bit brighter

563
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:36,240
or just

564
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:38,159
you know got kind of an odd twinkle to

565
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:39,360
it and when you start paying attention

566
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:40,559
next thing you know it might just blink

567
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,919
out next thing you know all these lights

568
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:43,200
come on

569
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:44,799
and if you didn't know better it looks

570
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,240
like an airplane

571
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:48,400
we got what about two years ago we

572
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:50,080
started looking up faa

573
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:51,679
you know and uh like the federal

574
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:53,200
regulations on any of the light patterns

575
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,400
and everything and these things

576
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,480
look just enough to pass but once you

577
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,840
start looking up you know what's leaking

578
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:59,280
what's not no they're

579
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,559
especially when they get you know go

580
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:02,480
right overhead you can tell it's just

581
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:03,360
something's not right

582
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:04,799
the colors are always off they don't

583
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:07,520
blink right i've seen led lights on

584
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:16,549
have you um have you had any reports

585
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:19,840
of uh any type of close encounters or

586
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:24,240
possible abductions uh down your way

587
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,679
no not uh i've i've talked to a woman up

588
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:29,679
in galapagos ferry between uh gapless

589
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:30,080
ferry

590
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:31,840
right before we get to april she seen

591
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,760
one about 20 some years ago

592
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:35,440
really close within a couple of couple

593
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,960
hundred yards

594
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,559
just fall on the river and cut across

595
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:39,919
the field and it really freaked her out

596
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,880
she just got a

597
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,559
you know a few seconds glimpse of it and

598
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:44,000
ran inside she said this thing was as

599
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:45,600
big as a football field

600
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:49,440
massively huge no probably not even just

601
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:50,320
at 200 feet

602
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:53,360
maybe just just barely by the tree lines

603
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:55,280
and that's about the closest thing i've

604
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:57,200
i've you know got too soft around here

605
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:58,320
of course you know how it is it's

606
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:59,600
people's

607
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,520
like twisted arms i mean you know a lot

608
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,880
of this stuff just in the weirder it

609
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:03,919
gets you know you know better than

610
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:05,679
anybody

611
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,400
well you you're a long time resident of

612
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:10,080
point pleasant you know the area you

613
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:11,679
know the people

614
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,440
you work on the river uh

615
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:17,440
what do you think is the reason for all

616
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:18,720
the strange stuff that

617
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:23,669
i have no idea i mean the only thing i

618
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,880
can think of is probably

619
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:26,159
like you know a lot of stuff like kiel

620
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:28,159
said you know you got that two uh

621
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:29,679
you know for the river claw river and

622
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:31,120
ohio joint it seems like you've always

623
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:31,600
got an

624
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:34,080
influx of a lot of activity you know

625
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,520
when you got two major

626
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:38,159
you know waterways joining that seems

627
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:39,360
like the native america

628
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:41,600
who was it i think andrew colvin wrote

629
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:42,480
about uh

630
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,000
i see an article a post he put out a

631
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,840
while back about the canal river valley

632
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:47,280
being one of the oldest i think it's

633
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:48,640
glaciated maybe

634
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:50,559
one of the oldest glacier river valleys

635
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:53,039
that they found so far

636
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,640
and uh going back with a native american

637
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:56,320
history i mean it's just amazing

638
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,520
especially when you get like in the

639
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,880
moonlight people

640
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,240
and they talk about you know the old

641
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:02,159
giants that were the allegory tribe or

642
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:02,559
you know

643
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:05,679
become the allegheny later on supposedly

644
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:08,480
uh supposedly the land they they you

645
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:09,200
know they

646
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:12,880
generations but it sounds

647
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:15,760
it sounded like the the local native uh

648
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,799
cultures talked about

649
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:18,159
you know their their that was their

650
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:19,440
place and they didn't want nothing to do

651
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:20,000
with

652
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,440
the mounds and all the structures that

653
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:23,600
was all theirs and it was the whole land

654
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:25,120
was you know

655
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,640
it was bad duty to begin with the way

656
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,720
they talked so

657
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,720
yeah i got lucky and had a real good

658
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,080
family friend that i you know

659
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,880
grew up from my time i was 16 until

660
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,720
about ten years ago when he passed away

661
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,880
uh he was half native american and uh

662
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,720
actually owned a little uh

663
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,320
oh he called the shawnee trading post

664
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:44,880
little indian museum

665
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,840
and uh my gosh she had hundreds of all

666
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:50,400
kind of artifacts like uh oh shoot he

667
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:51,360
even hadn't done

668
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,880
i mean arrowhead's like you wouldn't

669
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,880
believe but

670
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,880
he taught me a lot about this stuff and

671
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:58,080
uh he had a big map

672
00:24:02,549 --> 00:23:59,440
one on the wall i'd say it was about a

673
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,559
five by ten foot just massive map

674
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,960
and this thing covered i mean you

675
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,720
wouldn't believe just trading routes uh

676
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:08,080
different hunting grounds for different

677
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:09,200
seeds and this and that

678
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,559
we was looking at it one time he said do

679
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:12,480
you see anything strange there

680
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:14,000
started i said yeah i said something

681
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:15,520
strange what's here there's a big

682
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,919
you know big blank spot just nothing

683
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:19,120
cause that's where you're standing he

684
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,960
said that's most of kentucky

685
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,320
a little bit of ohio just about this

686
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:24,400
whole state he said it's

687
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:26,000
back then we might come through you know

688
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,679
our people come through here we got

689
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:29,039
we never stayed more than four or five

690
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:31,039
nights but just something about this

691
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,720
land it was notorious for generations

692
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,080
just being

693
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,760
you know not a wholesome place to be you

694
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:37,279
know for very long

695
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:39,919
yeah one of them yeah their ancestors so

696
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,870
there have been so many tribes that have

697
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:46,720
come through there

698
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:49,520
uh and there's been a lot of battles

699
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:50,320
there between

700
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:53,600
settlers and tribes themselves and such

701
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:57,200
i mean the history is so varied

702
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,840
uh there's got to be an imprint on the

703
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:01,200
land you know i

704
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:04,720
i've been saying for years

705
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:08,559
that you know it's no wonder why

706
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,360
something like a mothman or the mothman

707
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:13,440
would show up there because it was

708
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:14,240
probably

709
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:17,200
summoned by something that's part of the

710
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:18,400
land

711
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,679
uh you know it it's just so much

712
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,080
weird stuff that goes on down there you

713
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:26,159
know i get people all the time

714
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:29,440
making comments and making suggestions

715
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:32,640
about phenomena in and around mason

716
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:35,279
county in particular into

717
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,400
up and down the the konawaena river and

718
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:41,279
up in into the ohio valley it's it's

719
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:42,000
just so much

720
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,750
oh it is it's unreal he said any place

721
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:49,440
of blow john kills mine back in the day

722
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,960
just about gave him a you know permanent

723
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:51,760
fit

724
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:54,480
it's gonna be pretty heavy area yeah you

725
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,360
know when you read

726
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,960
some of the cosmic question or what was

727
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:58,159
the eighth power you know that was the

728
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,400
other

729
00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:00,320
way the original prophecies he said you

730
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:01,520
could tell he was really having problems

731
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,400
and this stuff was just

732
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:04,799
really getting to him and that god was

733
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,600
the way he

734
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:08,080
sounded fearless i mean he just put this

735
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:09,520
stuff you know just like where you go

736
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:10,240
into

737
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,600
just pick a spot at random take off

738
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,200
walking two or three hours later end up

739
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,960
at a farmhouse he'd ever seen as soon as

740
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,880
he's walking

741
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:18,559
all this stuff was done he's like man

742
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,840
you know this wasn't knuckle sand this

743
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,600
wasn't the nibs this was

744
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,360
this was the phenomenon and it was let

745
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:26,080
me know you know

746
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:33,830
so uh butch uh

747
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,279
you know you're hearing what what rob is

748
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:38,880
describing

749
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:41,600
with all the ufo phenomena down in that

750
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:42,159
area

751
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:45,279
and you know it it's it's no wonder i

752
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:46,320
mean everywhere

753
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:50,159
we seem to be here in the east coast

754
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:53,279
these these triangle

755
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:56,400
and large uh ufos

756
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,679
just seem to pop up everywhere

757
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,200
oh yeah and they've been around for a

758
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:03,679
while now yeah

759
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,400
i had two in the basically the same area

760
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:08,720
in a three-month period

761
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:13,760
uh and that was in 2010

762
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:16,080
uh my one was like in june the other was

763
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:17,679
like in september

764
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:20,880
but they were multi-witness

765
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,880
so and then one of my investigators

766
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,640
a police officer he was coming home from

767
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:28,559
work and um

768
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:31,360
up by indian town gap uh heading home

769
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:32,000
and

770
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:35,600
uh he followed one he said you know

771
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,480
just cruising along 35 40 miles an hour

772
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,080
so it wasn't real high in the sky he

773
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:41,760
figured maybe 2500

774
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,799
3000 foot quiet

775
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,240
one light in the front one light in the

776
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,159
back not flashing just

777
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,880
on and just followed it until it hit the

778
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:52,080
mountain and he said when it went over

779
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:53,200
the mountain he got the other side of

780
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:54,159
mountain that was

781
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,600
no longer be able to be seen but uh

782
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:00,240
yeah yeah i look the ufo phenomenon in

783
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:03,039
eastern pennsylvania

784
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:05,200
pretty much all of pennsylvania but um

785
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:06,399
and ohio

786
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,159
west virginia baltimore maryland i mean

787
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:12,480
that whole just this whole circle new

788
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,120
york state

789
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,840
has always been you know ripe with ufo

790
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,279
sightings

791
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,200
unfortunately with all this snow and

792
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:23,120
rotten weather we haven't had any really

793
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:24,880
clear skies

794
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:29,200
uh to get out and look but um you know

795
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,240
uh you can go to any one of the dark

796
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:34,640
spots in pennsylvania you know

797
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:37,919
and uh i usually uh

798
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,559
go down the road to french creek state

799
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,399
park which is like number two

800
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:45,120
darkest spot in pennsylvania and then

801
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:46,720
one night we saw 16

802
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:49,360
and we were there with police officers

803
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:54,230
they are what they are i mean you know

804
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:55,679
people say well

805
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,919
we're looking for disclosure well if

806
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,440
seeing these things

807
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,600
you need disclosure i don't know what

808
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:02,880
you're going to disclose they're up

809
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:04,080
there we don't know what they are we

810
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,440
don't know who's putting them on there

811
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,720
we don't know if there's anybody in them

812
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,039
or if they're mechanical or

813
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:11,120
who knows are they a probe what are they

814
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,559
nobody knows

815
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,799
that uh you know it's pretty much like i

816
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:16,080
always say you know all this is

817
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,200
paranormal

818
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:19,919
it doesn't matter whether it's ufology

819
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:20,640
uh

820
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,000
ghosts cryptids it all falls under

821
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:26,320
it all falls under paranormal because

822
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:27,120
there's no

823
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,750
and you know and after a while you just

824
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,120
get used to it

825
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,799
and that's the way you approach the

826
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,240
reports and that's where you approach

827
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:40,480
the investigations

828
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:46,310
pretty much the way it is always has

829
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,760
been now

830
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,399
sometimes you luck out and you get some

831
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,399
really good evidence

832
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,159
but then you know you'll spend months

833
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,760
following that up and then all of a

834
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:56,960
sudden you hit a

835
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:01,120
dead end that's it it's done right

836
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,159
but this uh we're coming ahead

837
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,760
now for the bipedal reports they'll

838
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,440
start they'll start coming in probably

839
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:09,200
around april or may

840
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:12,320
let's hope yeah

841
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,240
let's hope going back to this diatolof

842
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:17,840
uh

843
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:20,399
incident what do you think it was i mean

844
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:21,200
what do you think

845
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:22,880
actually happened there you know i've

846
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,120
read several books

847
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,440
several articles about this i've talked

848
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,279
to people about it

849
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,120
you know not there's not much of it

850
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,840
really makes much sense to me

851
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,480
you know i i know that there's

852
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:37,919
supposedly

853
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:40,960
a bigfoot like creature there

854
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:44,000
and then people talk about other type of

855
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,279
phenomena that could have been

856
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,720
associated with it

857
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,240
what are your thoughts on it after

858
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:50,480
looking into it

859
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,840
well it comes down to it well it's

860
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:56,000
definitely not a mink because all those

861
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,720
are bigfoot uh russian calls it mink but

862
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:03,440
bigfoot reports are way north of that

863
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,399
location

864
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:06,559
all the reports matter of fact there's

865
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:07,519
only

866
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,470
one thing that was strange right off the

867
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,480
get-go was

868
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,240
going years back there's a before diet

869
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:20,080
loft before that group

870
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:23,840
nine mancy warriors disappeared nine

871
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,039
in the 50s early 50s mid 50s a

872
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:28,960
transport plane for the russian

873
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:31,360
government with nine people on board

874
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:34,000
crash they were all killed and then you

875
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:35,440
have in hikers

876
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:39,519
now we got missing hate hikers um

877
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,519
the two things that i think are being

878
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:44,880
researched a lot

879
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:47,679
by the swiss uh research team that's

880
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:49,120
been out there twice now

881
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:50,320
and they're the ones that said no way

882
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,720
was it a uh uh avalanche

883
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:54,799
you know just it's not the slope isn't

884
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,440
there and there wasn't that much snow

885
00:32:01,509 --> 00:32:00,000
so uh you know they're looking at

886
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,519
infrasound

887
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:04,080
uh as one uh you know just drove them

888
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,720
nuts

889
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:07,200
but that doesn't explain the injuries

890
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:08,000
and

891
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:12,480
lightning

892
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:15,760
now if they were i

893
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:20,480
heard that one if they were in a group

894
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:23,679
and the ball lightning was low enough

895
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:28,000
it'd be like running into a hand grenade

896
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:32,000
a pretty big jump yeah

897
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,840
but when you look when you know i got

898
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,679
the autopsy reports i got the autopsy

899
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,360
pictures i got all that stuff

900
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,880
and you know i just looked it over over

901
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,240
and over and over and over trying to

902
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:42,000
make sense of it

903
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:45,440
you know the the wounds i mean

904
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:48,880
and they all had i mean any one of the

905
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:50,240
wounds that they had would have killed

906
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,559
them

907
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,360
period and the story nobody survived any

908
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:55,840
of their wounds

909
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:58,480
but the one guy i mean his skull was

910
00:33:02,789 --> 00:32:59,279
crushed

911
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:02,799
from the um

912
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:05,360
frontal lobe all the way to the rear and

913
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,880
heading over to the other side of his

914
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,919
skull

915
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,519
and he was laying in the snow and there

916
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,600
were no rocks around or anything like

917
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:13,200
that

918
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,640
you don't want to fall in the snow and

919
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,880
fracture a skull like that

920
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,720
uh broken ribs and i don't mean broken

921
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:20,320
ribs and they're just cracked or

922
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,440
like somebody pushed them or something

923
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:23,360
like that i mean these ribs were severed

924
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:25,039
they were broken

925
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:28,320
uh leg bones arms fingers it's just

926
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,760
crazy and of course the only thing that

927
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:33,120
bothers me is

928
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:36,480
about two years ago and i can't get any

929
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:38,000
information i'm trying

930
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:41,840
with and the diet loft research center

931
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,039
in russia is trying to help they

932
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:46,559
actually assumed

933
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,039
one of the bodies one of the males

934
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:54,000
it was it was done he was exhumed the

935
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,440
body was taken away

936
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:57,279
the body was brought back and reburied

937
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:58,559
and they never mentioned anything about

938
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,440
it was actually

939
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,679
somebody that actually saw him replacing

940
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,600
the body

941
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,480
that spilled the beans on them now

942
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:07,679
they've been asked about it the

943
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:08,320
government's been

944
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:09,679
well they're not going to give any

945
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:12,639
answer there but it's just one of those

946
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,000
weird stupid reports

947
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:17,919
where did the government have anything

948
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:20,879
to do with it was it natural phenomenon

949
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:23,919
uh how does the main

950
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:27,119
autopsy reports from the main surgeon

951
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:30,399
autopsy surgeon state that what killed

952
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:31,040
them was an

953
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:34,079
unknown compelling force

954
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,599
and what the hell is an unknown

955
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,359
compelling force

956
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:38,960
i mean if you get by truck he gave my

957
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,919
truck that's it that's compelling force

958
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,919
um you're struck by lightning that's a

959
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,440
compelling force

960
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:46,800
you know if you fall off a cliff that's

961
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:49,359
a compelling force laying face down in

962
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:50,639
the snow

963
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:53,280
where the group runs most of the group

964
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,800
gets to the tree line which is a mile

965
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,919
from the tent

966
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,440
and three other ones head back to the

967
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:59,040
tent

968
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,839
and then they said well they died of

969
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,320
hypothermia

970
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,320
well that doesn't explain the injuries i

971
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,160
mean yeah these people were barefoot

972
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:08,240
and half of them had had very little

973
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:09,440
clothing on

974
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:15,030
hypothermia the three of them were

975
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,720
already dead

976
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,400
yeah i mean the the guy with the skull

977
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,480
fractures one doctor said

978
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:22,079
this guy lasted about three or four

979
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,680
minutes

980
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,079
and the one girl same thing and then you

981
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:27,839
find the other ones

982
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,680
in a creek now he said he wouldn't know

983
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:32,960
why

984
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,230
i mean that just doesn't make any sense

985
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,430
i you know it's one of those cases where

986
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,119
unless something happens with the eight

987
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,880
tourists that are missing now

988
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:48,400
we're probably never ever going to find

989
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,390
was this near the same area where these

990
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,119
these people disappeared

991
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:59,119
yeah oh yeah they were headed there they

992
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,720
were gone the

993
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,160
the russian government does not allow

994
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,400
anybody there

995
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:06,640
they don't to go there you have to have

996
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,839
a special permit

997
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:09,520
and there were three groups out on

998
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,400
special permits going up to pay respects

999
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,240
to the to the group there's a monument

1000
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,599
there

1001
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,240
and then you know they're in contact via

1002
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,480
cell phone radio whatever they're using

1003
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,320
but the this other group that's fourth

1004
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,960
group with the eight people from moscow

1005
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,800
they did not get a permit they just took

1006
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,079
off

1007
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:29,839
and they were supposed to call back into

1008
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,400
whoever a friend of theirs or

1009
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,400
family member or something on the 10th

1010
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,079
to say that they were on their way back

1011
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,760
well they never had any contact with

1012
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:39,200
them at all

1013
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,960
uh the mancy village people were

1014
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:42,800
notified they said no we didn't see any

1015
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:43,440
eight people

1016
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,960
you know we saw this team and we saw

1017
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:46,640
that team you know they came

1018
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,440
put up flowers or monuments and took off

1019
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,640
and they all returned

1020
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,400
but the eight haven't heard a thing from

1021
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:54,800
them since they were supposed to return

1022
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:57,520
or hear from them on february 10th this

1023
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:58,240
year

1024
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:01,280
and they've heard nothing

1025
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:02,720
but here's another thing they haven't

1026
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,589
that i checked on this morning there's

1027
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,119
no search team that's ever been sent out

1028
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:11,119
for these people

1029
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:14,320
so you know

1030
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:17,280
it's just like that one note uh in the

1031
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,079
diary

1032
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:20,079
uh of the investigation when you look

1033
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:21,359
through the reports which is all

1034
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,880
available to the public i mean it's

1035
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:24,079
there

1036
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:27,680
where a chief investigator

1037
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:28,720
from the investigation chief

1038
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,030
talked about he was going to make his

1039
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:37,440
way out there on february 2nd

1040
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,240
to check on the dead hikers they didn't

1041
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:41,839
die till the 5th

1042
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,000
or the 9th because when everything

1043
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,079
happened when they were found

1044
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:48,839
so what did he know that nobody else

1045
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,390
that whole thing is that whole thing is

1046
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:56,560
weird it really really is

1047
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,599
i mean you know because

1048
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,599
look if something like that happened

1049
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:03,200
here i'm pretty sure

1050
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,720
you know especially with the first

1051
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,119
incident than having this follow-up

1052
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,359
incident happening you know

1053
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:11,280
it would be it would be all over the

1054
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:12,880
news here

1055
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:16,640
and it almost seems that it kind of got

1056
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:17,119
out

1057
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,040
from there by circumstance

1058
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:23,599
you know you know does it seem to you

1059
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:24,320
like they're

1060
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:27,440
trying to cover it up somehow

1061
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:30,560
oh yeah absolutely because

1062
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:35,359
the uh the media company in moscow

1063
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,720
is called ei yeah there's a long russian

1064
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,160
there's a long russian name for it but i

1065
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,160
can't pronounce it right

1066
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,320
yeah i gave it to newsweek newsweek

1067
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:46,240
published it here in this country

1068
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:49,760
right oh uh from

1069
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,920
from the point of being published in

1070
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:52,960
newsweek

1071
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:56,880
and ei in russia after that initial

1072
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:00,640
posting there's been nothing zero nada

1073
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:04,870
you know why wouldn't they go back up

1074
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,599
there either they already know what

1075
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:09,200
happened to them

1076
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:12,320
well they're already gone but

1077
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:13,839
when you look back on the history of

1078
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:16,560
that of that mountain you know you have

1079
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,920
those nine mancies way back in the early

1080
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,119
1900s

1081
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:24,160
nine of them die they're on a hunting

1082
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,760
trip and they're dead

1083
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,760
and then in the early 50s you have a

1084
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:29,040
transport plane

1085
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,119
with nine people on it a pilot co-pilot

1086
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:36,079
and passengers and it crashes with nine

1087
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:37,520
people

1088
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:40,880
now this one's different because it's

1089
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:41,839
eight

1090
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:45,280
yeah but who knows

1091
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,960
we'll find out eventually that's why it

1092
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:48,800
always works

1093
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,599
but but one thing the guy in russia

1094
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,920
will you say rob i was one of those

1095
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:57,680
butch uh one thing uh wasn't there at

1096
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,960
least one or two the

1097
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,720
folks they found uh in that original

1098
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:02,160
investigation they found them nearly

1099
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:03,760
either near the wood line or near a tree

1100
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,960
pretty you know good ways but they said

1101
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,560
i remember reading about uh

1102
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:10,400
their hands were so tore up yeah they

1103
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:11,599
were down to the bone and they said

1104
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,560
don't know what that could happen is

1105
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:14,079
where they were trying to climb the tree

1106
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,440
or trying to

1107
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:17,040
trying to get up and they just kept on

1108
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:18,720
until yeah

1109
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,839
yeah two mate yeah well all made it to

1110
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:23,280
the tree line with the exception of

1111
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:24,160
three

1112
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:26,000
who stopped short of the tree line they

1113
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,359
turned around they were heading back to

1114
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:29,119
the tent but they died one two three in

1115
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,920
a row

1116
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:31,520
but the rest made it down to the tree

1117
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:34,960
line three wound up in the creek

1118
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:37,920
and one tried to climb the tree and they

1119
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,760
saw the broken branches and that and

1120
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:41,359
the guy at the bottom looked like he was

1121
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,119
trying to start a fire

1122
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:45,680
but the one guy's clothing was burned

1123
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,400
but they had no fire at the campground

1124
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,240
you know where they camped there was no

1125
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:52,000
they never used their stove

1126
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:55,280
that was still packed so it's it's

1127
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,040
ribs and crust it's it's just bizarre

1128
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:03,280
you have crazy photos of that too the

1129
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,839
last photo they

1130
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,560
took that's what i was just gonna bring

1131
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:08,319
up like why in the hell would they have

1132
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,119
a tripod

1133
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:11,359
in the middle of the tent and that last

1134
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,560
i was gonna ask much about that what's

1135
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,920
your feelings on that butch i mean

1136
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,119
do you feel that that's pretty well

1137
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:16,960
legit i mean because it's in the the two

1138
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,839
books i've read

1139
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,440
and i know a lot of people talk about it

1140
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,720
they usually don't bring up the photo

1141
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,560
they're talking about the camera

1142
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:24,079
yeah because the photo is real widened

1143
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,520
out but you can see an object on it

1144
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:29,680
oh yeah the the white dot that was that

1145
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,880
was the camera that was found in the

1146
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:32,960
creek

1147
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:36,160
um the that was uh

1148
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,760
uh they say that was the last photograph

1149
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:39,599
taken they actually retrieved

1150
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:42,560
three cameras but they've only ever put

1151
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,040
out

1152
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:44,880
film from the with the camera you're the

1153
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,119
one you're talking about with the white

1154
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,280
flash on it and there's one off to the

1155
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:50,960
left also

1156
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:53,119
but they said that could have been their

1157
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:54,640
excuse for that was it

1158
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,280
could have been the film was um

1159
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:01,200
screwed up by being in the water it was

1160
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,480
actually onto one guy's

1161
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,480
person but he was in the water so that's

1162
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:06,800
what they figured

1163
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,440
but all the it's funny because the diet

1164
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:11,040
love institute

1165
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:14,319
research center they have all the

1166
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,870
i mean they have them all every one of

1167
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:22,640
them they have

1168
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:26,000
two of the four cameras the other two

1169
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:29,359
um were i i guess they were just

1170
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:32,400
falling apart or whatever the case was

1171
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,960
but um you know everything's come up on

1172
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:36,800
this i mean they blame the military they

1173
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:39,200
blame the nancy people they blamed uh

1174
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:43,119
bigfoot they blamed um aliens the ufo i

1175
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,319
mean

1176
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,880
they ran the whole gamut on this thing

1177
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:47,760
and

1178
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,640
pretty sharp investigator

1179
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,560
uh everybody's saying well it had to be

1180
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,319
uh you know the slab

1181
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:58,480
avalanche because the tents collapsed in

1182
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,599
the middle

1183
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,359
well no the tents collapsed in the

1184
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:03,040
middle because they cut the sides out of

1185
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:03,440
it

1186
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:06,800
yeah they kind of yeah yeah just go up

1187
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,630
they foreign must been watching

1188
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,920
something because they actually cut

1189
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:15,520
slits at the top

1190
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,400
like yeah you know what i mean before

1191
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,640
before they cut into the sides

1192
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,720
so did they see something here's

1193
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:23,680
something coming

1194
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,240
or whatever it was i mean it just scared

1195
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:27,599
the hell out of them

1196
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:30,800
yeah yeah that that's one aspect that

1197
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:33,599
that that whole thing that just seems so

1198
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:34,319
weird to me

1199
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:37,440
why they slipped it out slit the tent

1200
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,720
yeah you know why couldn't they just go

1201
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,319
out the front of the tent

1202
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,800
or were they looking at something or was

1203
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,000
it i don't know

1204
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,800
i mean it it just seems that they went

1205
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:50,640
crazy somehow

1206
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,079
and started ripping and cutting

1207
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:57,359
the tent to either get out or

1208
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,800
whatever or they were or a couple of

1209
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:02,240
them were sleeping and two of them were

1210
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:02,960
looking and

1211
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:05,920
seemed like one of them freaked out and

1212
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:06,720
they pushed

1213
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:10,480
about a rogue wind well what's a rogue

1214
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:11,520
wind

1215
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:14,160
i mean either 100 mile an hour it's five

1216
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:15,440
mile an hour

1217
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:19,920
but they say uh this um

1218
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:23,599
the rogue wind passing between

1219
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:26,960
certain obstacles at a high speed

1220
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,640
would almost put out an infrasound

1221
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:32,640
which infrasound is we can't hear

1222
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:33,680
infrasound

1223
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,680
animals it's that's way below us we

1224
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,359
can't we can't hear that

1225
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,680
but what it does do is it causes

1226
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:43,359
hallucinations and all that kind of

1227
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:44,560
stuff so

1228
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:48,480
is that a possibility yeah i guess it is

1229
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:51,520
but how are you going to prove it yeah

1230
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:54,079
it's never happened before the nine

1231
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:55,599
mancy that died

1232
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:58,240
on that hunting trip they just died they

1233
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,680
had all kind of wounds

1234
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,960
they figured they were attacked by

1235
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,880
somebody but there was nobody ever

1236
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,640
charged with that and the plane that

1237
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,000
crashed

1238
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:08,160
that they still didn't put anything up

1239
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:09,280
on that it wasn't like

1240
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,880
um uh they were reporting engine trouble

1241
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,319
or anything like that the plane just

1242
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,160
went down

1243
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,599
and that tent only had one door

1244
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:21,040
and that was at the one end the other

1245
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,880
end is solid it was an old military tent

1246
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:24,720
basically

1247
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:31,510
and you know at both ends uh they had

1248
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:34,319
all their gear and the stove and their

1249
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,240
their food and all that stuff so

1250
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,079
but it scared them enough that they had

1251
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,230
that tent and we're burning alive or

1252
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,400
something

1253
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,079
another thing is they never found any of

1254
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:54,590
what where are these knives

1255
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,829
they never found any knives never

1256
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:01,280
thought about it no never thought about

1257
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:02,160
that

1258
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:04,480
unbelievable they found a hatchet they

1259
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:05,599
found a hatchet

1260
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:09,440
that was inside the tent hey hatchet

1261
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:14,000
it was in a bag still not

1262
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:17,359
wow not even a pocket knife and judging

1263
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:17,839
from the

1264
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:19,040
looks of that tent i mean you know

1265
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,960
that's not that wasn't a couple swiss

1266
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:22,240
army knives doing that i mean that was

1267
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:23,599
you know i mean they had to have

1268
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,880
yeah it was like so yeah it was it was

1269
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,960
unbelievable the way it looked that that

1270
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,800
last picture in uh all the first book

1271
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,400
they put out that

1272
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,640
yeah two people wear the tree line they

1273
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,960
look like a blender

1274
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:39,200
yeah the two people by the tree line had

1275
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:40,800
crushed ribs too

1276
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:43,280
i think the best book that i read that

1277
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:44,800
was pretty accurate

1278
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:48,000
was called dead mountain dead that's it

1279
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,280
forget about the dead mountain yeah

1280
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:51,359
that's the one i read

1281
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,720
one of the ones that's pretty

1282
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:56,560
he i mean he's pretty open-minded about

1283
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:57,760
the whole thing

1284
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,440
and he lets everything go into play and

1285
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,960
with a case like this you really do have

1286
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,480
to let everything go into play

1287
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,160
because let's face it we don't know what

1288
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:05,839
caused it

1289
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,560
uh animals are as hard as missing eyes

1290
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,079
and tongues and stuff like that animals

1291
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:12,400
ruled out from the very beginning an

1292
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:17,910
i mean it would have been chew mark

1293
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:20,240
hallmarks everything all over that face

1294
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:21,680
same same thing with the eyes the

1295
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:24,559
eyelids weren't even damaged

1296
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:35,270
we'll see you know see where it goes

1297
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:35,760
well

1298
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:38,960
is there a case even similar to like

1299
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:39,359
that

1300
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:44,880
united states at all

1301
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:48,400
no i can find it i look

1302
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,839
i mean there's a lot of missing people

1303
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:52,160
don't get me wrong uh

1304
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:56,880
but as far as uh left for dead no

1305
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,680
yeah exactly not with that but that kind

1306
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:01,680
of madness involved

1307
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:04,880
yeah i mean we've had we had 39

1308
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,839
missing cases uh here in pennsylvania

1309
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,359
where the people were never found or

1310
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:11,599
when they were found they were dead

1311
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,119
um so

1312
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:17,920
i got somebody to chat who's asked who's

1313
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:20,640
asking about todd seeds butch

1314
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,240
you want to give us an update on that

1315
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:26,079
uh well we're still trying to locate his

1316
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:27,359
son that's

1317
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:31,200
um the uh

1318
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:34,000
two people that we were dealing with uh

1319
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,040
one trooper

1320
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:37,359
and well actually two troopers uh they

1321
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:38,559
went dark

1322
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:42,000
so uh i guess we were getting too close

1323
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:43,839
to coming up with something that all of

1324
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,160
a sudden um

1325
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,200
crazy you know everybody got clammed up

1326
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,839
by it but you know how that worked you

1327
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,760
know how that works

1328
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,119
you think nothing's gonna happen

1329
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,280
something happens

1330
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,520
well that's just it i mean when when it

1331
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:01,359
seems like everything's so quiet then

1332
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:02,000
all of a sudden

1333
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,000
uh

1334
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,680
you know and we you know we really

1335
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:09,200
haven't been pushing it

1336
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,400
lately you know i haven't been writing

1337
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:14,079
about it i haven't been

1338
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,359
saying much about it uh and the only

1339
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,119
reason for that is that we just haven't

1340
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:21,440
gotten any real

1341
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,240
you know exclusive evidence you know

1342
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:26,480
other than you know the same thing

1343
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:29,520
over and over again um

1344
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,559
i don't know i you know i i am

1345
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:34,960
definitely hoping we eventually get it

1346
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:37,520
get something maybe we you know butch

1347
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:40,319
maybe we need to go back

1348
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:43,040
and do a show about it from the very

1349
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:44,720
beginning

1350
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:48,240
and present all the evidence again

1351
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:51,359
uh you know i mean that's up to you

1352
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:54,960
but you know maybe i'll put it back

1353
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:58,160
out there again you know

1354
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:01,599
we can do that yeah it's a good case

1355
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:02,240
because

1356
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:03,680
you know you and i have both been

1357
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:05,599
fascinated by that thing from the very

1358
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:06,800
beginning

1359
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,520
you know this case you know for people

1360
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:11,599
don't understand what happened

1361
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,559
the todd sees case is basically an

1362
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:15,920
individual

1363
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,040
who lived just off the montour ridge

1364
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:21,040
near in northumberland when near

1365
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:22,559
northumberland pennsylvania

1366
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,839
but in northumberland county

1367
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:26,559
pennsylvania and

1368
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:30,960
uh apparently this individual

1369
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:34,240
uh got onto his atv

1370
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,359
and went up the ridge saying that he was

1371
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:39,280
spotting deer now this was in

1372
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:42,559
august of 2002 that's one thing i still

1373
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,520
don't understand

1374
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,839
why in the hell the middle summer you're

1375
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:48,000
out there looking for deer i just don't

1376
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:49,760
get that but anyway

1377
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,040
he went up there and

1378
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,680
that's what he told his wife and uh that

1379
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:57,839
he'd be back at noon

1380
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,119
and apparently

1381
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:03,200
he just wait just didn't come back so

1382
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,800
everybody got freaked out didn't know

1383
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:06,400
where he was at

1384
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:09,520
and uh she called the authorities

1385
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:12,880
and within several hours

1386
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:15,760
they had over 200 people looking for

1387
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,480
this guy

1388
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:19,119
on this ridge around the property on the

1389
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:20,160
ridge

1390
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:24,160
and according to later information

1391
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:27,760
particularly from uh

1392
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:31,040
peter davenport over newfork and

1393
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,160
some other places we um

1394
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:37,040
we had two eyewitnesses on either side

1395
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:38,480
of the ridge

1396
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:41,839
one was a farmer and two others

1397
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:45,200
were fishermen on the west branch of the

1398
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:49,520
susquehanna river who saw

1399
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:52,720
a large disc hovering above

1400
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,079
the power line that runs down over

1401
00:52:02,630 --> 00:51:59,119
the uh over the ridge

1402
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:02,640
down into the valley and they saw

1403
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:05,359
something being pulled up into which

1404
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:07,040
looked like somebody in underwear is

1405
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:08,480
what they said

1406
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:12,480
up into the craft that's mind-blowing

1407
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:16,640
so after after 36 hours or so

1408
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:19,520
of investigating and searching the whole

1409
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:21,200
area

1410
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,319
uh the body just turns up all of a

1411
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:26,640
sudden

1412
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:30,000
yeah dead and

1413
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:33,839
on the property what's that

1414
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,640
on the same on his property yeah well

1415
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,480
just you know just

1416
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:40,319
maybe 70 yards from the house right

1417
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,599
something like that yeah

1418
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:44,079
yeah yeah yeah they already searched it

1419
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:45,119
a couple of times

1420
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,480
that the searchers were driving up and

1421
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:48,000
down and riding up and down and walking

1422
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,839
up and down for two days

1423
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,839
well they had dogs and everything up

1424
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:53,359
there i mean you know

1425
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:56,079
they had a pond there was a pond there

1426
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:57,520
raindale

1427
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:00,880
yeah you know

1428
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,000
so actually you know in a nutshell what

1429
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,720
happened after the body was found

1430
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:09,119
is they gathered all the the people who

1431
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:09,920
were doing the

1432
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:13,280
uh the search took them up to the

1433
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:14,720
tuckahoe

1434
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:18,800
fire department put them inside of there

1435
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:22,000
closed the doors and according to people

1436
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,160
who were in there at the time

1437
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,640
a few of them they were told not to say

1438
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:28,880
anything about this

1439
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:32,160
and to keep quiet about it now

1440
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:35,200
you know the the standard fair was that

1441
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:38,319
people these people

1442
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,559
who were telling them to do this for fbi

1443
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:42,720
well i i have never believed that i

1444
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:45,440
don't like butch as either

1445
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,760
these guys these guys weren't fbi i

1446
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:49,599
believe

1447
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:52,880
these were united states air force

1448
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:57,119
investigators and uh

1449
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:59,119
that from what happens they found that

1450
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:00,880
they believed there was an abduction

1451
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:03,440
from the beginning

1452
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:06,240
now i can't prove that it was an

1453
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:07,280
abduction

1454
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:10,319
it's all anecdotal evidence

1455
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:20,870
they came up with some [\h__\h]

1456
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:24,240
excuse that it was cocaine

1457
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,839
toxicity which is just a

1458
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,559
just a bunch of crap they were talking

1459
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:32,319
about uh

1460
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,920
yeah i mean they were talking about a

1461
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:36,480
rattlesnake being found near the body

1462
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:40,400
and a whole bunch of stuff with butch

1463
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,520
was able to get the actual autopsy

1464
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:45,280
report that nobody else seemed to be

1465
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:46,240
able to get

1466
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:48,960
but butch got it how many pages was it

1467
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:50,839
butch

1468
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:54,160
uh six pages plus the

1469
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:58,079
um uh toxicology report

1470
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:02,240
right wow and and that the problem is

1471
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:05,119
you guys know where northumberland is

1472
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:05,920
it's right in

1473
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:08,960
the northern middle part of the state

1474
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:11,680
and the autopsy the body was taken to

1475
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:13,839
allentown pennsylvania

1476
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:16,160
which is the eastern part of the state

1477
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:20,799
for the autopsy you know and

1478
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,920
you know the the corner for

1479
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,839
for the county of northumberland was a

1480
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:27,280
local

1481
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:30,720
mortician who took the body

1482
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:34,480
and stored it in his

1483
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,520
his funeral home

1484
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:40,319
uh until they took the next day to

1485
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:46,470
so when the body is finally released

1486
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:50,319
to the family it's in a sealed

1487
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,160
metal maybe lead coffin

1488
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:56,079
and the people and the families told do

1489
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:57,680
not open it

1490
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:02,240
oh my god

1491
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,910
so you know anything you want to add

1492
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:09,359
butch i just did a

1493
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:13,040
thumbnail sketch of what was going on

1494
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,880
was there something stuck on a tree or

1495
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,799
something i don't know i mean you know

1496
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,960
if you were saying about doing a

1497
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,720
one-hour show if we we went over that

1498
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,400
whole case from beginning and it'd be a

1499
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:24,000
five or six hour show

1500
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:28,000
yeah because it you know there's

1501
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:29,839
you know over the over the period of all

1502
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:32,160
the years of investigation i mean

1503
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,680
we got statements from people that we

1504
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:35,520
didn't even know about we got

1505
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,520
we got information uh we connected the

1506
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,240
person that actually did the autopsy uh

1507
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,559
connected to another guy uh who

1508
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:46,240
worked for the military i mean it just

1509
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:47,680
goes on and on and on you know what i'm

1510
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:48,319
saying

1511
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:50,079
uh we try to contact the police they

1512
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:52,240
avoid us like the plague

1513
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:55,119
um we try to contact the fire companies

1514
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:56,480
for all the search teams that are out

1515
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:56,960
there

1516
00:57:01,589 --> 00:57:00,160
they hang up on us then we call back the

1517
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,599
number is disconnected

1518
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:03,359
or there's a block on the line i mean

1519
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:04,960
it's just

1520
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:07,680
we can go on and on about that case but

1521
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:08,240
uh

1522
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:11,520
and we had the nephew

1523
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:13,599
that was uh killed on his lunch hour by

1524
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:15,040
a tractor trailer

1525
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,559
and the driver of the tractor trailer

1526
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,160
was not retained at the scene of the

1527
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:20,160
accident of the fatality

1528
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:23,599
uh he was just driven away i don't know

1529
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:26,160
who's got it and this was after this was

1530
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,040
after

1531
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,880
when i worked when i wore a badge if

1532
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,480
there was a fatality there was nobody

1533
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:32,400
going nowhere

1534
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:36,000
the strange thing about this nephew was

1535
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:39,359
this nephew and i had an argument

1536
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,799
on a chat board about two days before he

1537
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:44,319
died

1538
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,520
and uh he was upset because butch and i

1539
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:49,359
were looking into it

1540
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:51,359
he didn't he you know he was trying to

1541
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:52,559
say

1542
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:54,799
that we had no business looking into

1543
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:55,680
this case

1544
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:58,640
and to stop doing it and to stop

1545
00:58:02,549 --> 00:57:59,839
bothering people

1546
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:02,559
it wasn't important you know that todd

1547
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:03,680
died from

1548
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:06,880
cocaine overdose and that was it

1549
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:09,200
and then two days later this guy ends up

1550
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:10,880
dead

1551
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:13,440
yeah you know he he he's you know high

1552
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:16,640
school just graduated my high school

1553
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:19,520
so uh yeah i mean that whole thing is

1554
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:22,880
that whole thing is strange um

1555
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:26,400
another thing was we had done a show

1556
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,839
back in

1557
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:30,000
one beyond the edge radio butch and i

1558
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:31,839
were on there and we did a show about

1559
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:34,079
this case and what we had found

1560
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:36,319
did a brief overview of what was going

1561
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:37,760
on

1562
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:44,480
we had no access to todd seeds

1563
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:46,799
personal information his social security

1564
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,680
number

1565
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:50,160
anything and you know everything was

1566
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:51,599
gone

1567
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,440
and i'm telling we both tried to get

1568
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:55,680
information from the state

1569
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:58,799
local county everywhere you know and we

1570
00:59:05,789 --> 00:59:01,119
all got to run around

1571
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:05,799
the day after the show was aired

1572
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,359
ancestry.com his social security number

1573
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,680
and an old traffic ticket and it showed

1574
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:13,200
up on there

1575
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:16,559
of course all of a sudden now why did

1576
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,079
that happen

1577
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:20,640
you know that was that was very strange

1578
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:21,119
so

1579
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:25,829
it's a craziest you know it's one of the

1580
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,160
craziest cases i mean

1581
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:31,200
first of all i i do believe i do believe

1582
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:32,960
that he died

1583
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,680
as a result of an induction and if that

1584
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:37,440
is the case

1585
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,880
then it's probably the only known case

1586
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:42,400
of that happening

1587
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:45,200
at least here in the united states you

1588
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:46,000
know we have had

1589
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:48,160
pushback from lufon on this from the

1590
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:49,760
very beginning

1591
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:53,200
you know uh they have been you know

1592
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:00,549
so you know what i think ought to do

1593
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:02,720
i only take what we had again you know

1594
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:04,240
it's been a while since i posted

1595
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:04,960
anything

1596
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,799
take what we had again put it up on the

1597
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:09,119
blog and

1598
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,359
ask for information anybody's got any

1599
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:13,599
further information to contact you

1600
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,280
but you're not and see what we can come

1601
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:19,760
up with what do you think butch

1602
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:23,839
yeah that'll work yeah

1603
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,640
yeah we need to do that because you know

1604
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:28,880
you know i know this case

1605
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:31,119
it leaves a sore spot in me from the

1606
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:32,720
very beginning

1607
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:34,960
and you know i know butch i know it's by

1608
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:37,119
bothering butch but um

1609
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:38,880
we need to get some answers we got to

1610
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:43,040
find out what the hell happened

1611
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:47,520
so has anybody else got anything to add

1612
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:48,720
didn't they did they find something in

1613
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:50,799
the tree or am i just

1614
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,160
thinking something else i thought they

1615
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:54,720
found something uh hanging in a tree

1616
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,960
or somewhere but that was a story

1617
01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:01,440
but it's from butch butch can tell you i

1618
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:02,400
think that was a

1619
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:05,760
load of crap okay yeah but what about a

1620
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:06,400
foot

1621
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:09,520
the tree what about a butch they never

1622
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:10,079
found

1623
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:14,480
they said

1624
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:18,079
the atv the atv was exactly one mile

1625
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:19,599
away from where the body was found on

1626
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:21,680
the property

1627
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:24,240
uh and he was found right on the

1628
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:25,760
property

1629
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:29,119
the family found the coveralls

1630
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:32,319
uh which puts a little credence into the

1631
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:34,160
sighting of somebody being pulled up

1632
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:36,160
into a craft in their underwear because

1633
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:38,400
that's how he was found

1634
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:42,480
in his underwear no shoes

1635
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:46,160
uh just white socks and that area is so

1636
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:46,799
rocky

1637
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,400
when you walk over it in hunting boots

1638
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:50,160
it hurts

1639
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:52,720
and he had the the damage to the bottom

1640
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:54,160
of his feet was unremarkable there was

1641
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:55,680
no damage

1642
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:57,200
he had a lot of cuts and scratches but

1643
01:01:59,829 --> 01:01:58,960
you know going through the brush and

1644
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:59,839
stuff or

1645
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:01,920
dragged or thrown or wherever however he

1646
01:02:05,829 --> 01:02:03,039
got there

1647
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,839
but um when the family found the cover

1648
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:06,960
holes they went through the coveralls

1649
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:08,160
see if the keys were in there for the

1650
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:09,359
atv

1651
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:11,440
they weren't so they gave the coveralls

1652
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:12,880
over to the police department and the

1653
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:19,589
doctor doing the autopsy that cocaine

1654
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:22,079
was found in the pocket

1655
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:23,920
and the family said there was no cocaine

1656
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:25,440
in those pockets there was nothing in

1657
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:26,640
the rocket

1658
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:29,760
and just common sense if your brother

1659
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:32,000
if this was your brother and you did

1660
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:34,160
find cocaine in that pocket were you

1661
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:35,359
going to give that to the police or

1662
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:36,400
you're going to just

1663
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,190
yeah and in the family and the family

1664
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:47,520
has really shut up about this from the

1665
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:48,799
very beginning

1666
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:50,880
i don't know if they were scared so

1667
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:52,559
badly

1668
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:55,280
by whoever was in charge to not say

1669
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:56,559
anything

1670
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:58,720
but they have been closed mouth about

1671
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:00,720
this whole thing

1672
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:03,440
you know um the fact that we got some

1673
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:04,960
information about

1674
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:08,400
the supposed body being in in a

1675
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:11,839
sealed metal casket

1676
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:14,960
is interesting but you know

1677
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:16,799
i don't know you know it's in another

1678
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:18,000
thing and

1679
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:19,599
i don't know if this guy talked to you

1680
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:21,839
first or talk to me for a butch

1681
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:24,000
but there was one individual who said he

1682
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:26,319
went to the grave site

1683
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:29,839
and stuck a thin metal probe down into

1684
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:30,319
where

1685
01:03:38,069 --> 01:03:33,440
a crypto casket or something should be

1686
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:38,079
and he never hit anything yeah

1687
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:40,400
sounds right maybe there's nothing

1688
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:41,680
buried there you know

1689
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:45,520
i don't know thanks to high heaven

1690
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:47,839
but uh i would like to have you know i

1691
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:50,400
would really like to open it up again

1692
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:53,200
and get more information and see if

1693
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:54,079
somebody

1694
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:57,280
will come forward because uh

1695
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:00,319
it's been pretty dry lately so

1696
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:08,069
so guys i tell you i i thank you for

1697
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:09,760
coming on tonight with me

1698
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:13,039
and uh we're we're going to do this

1699
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:15,520
again this 14th friday

1700
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:17,200
show that we're going to present every

1701
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,720
month is going to be

1702
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:21,119
like a round table like this we're going

1703
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:22,880
to pick subjects and we're going to talk

1704
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:24,880
about it and you know

1705
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:27,680
uh i mean it may be you know next the

1706
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:29,039
next one we have is with

1707
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:32,319
um carter bouchard and and marc gasel

1708
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:34,480
as well these two guys are known for

1709
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:35,440
bigfoot so

1710
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:37,119
i think what we'll be talking about that

1711
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:39,440
night is bigfoot but you know we can

1712
01:04:43,109 --> 01:04:41,680
always think of subjects to kind of

1713
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:43,119
focus on and then

1714
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:46,000
banner about you know what's going on i

1715
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:46,799
think that's that

1716
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:48,720
i think that is really why i'd like to

1717
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:50,000
do that because

1718
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:54,240
get more in depth with certain subjects

1719
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,880
you know we got a large team you know

1720
01:05:02,069 --> 01:04:58,799
we've got almost 20

1721
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:02,079
team members as well as at least 15

1722
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:05,280
affiliate members so uh

1723
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:08,559
you know it should be pretty nice it

1724
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:09,039
should be

1725
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:12,160
make for an interesting show every month

1726
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:14,880
so uh of course i invite you guys to be

1727
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:17,200
a part of that as we go we're gonna give

1728
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:19,839
everybody a chance to get involved with

1729
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:21,119
it but um

1730
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:22,720
again i thank you all for coming on

1731
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:24,799
tonight and you all take it easy and

1732
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:30,309
thank you nice all right welcome thank

1733
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:31,839
you thank you man

1734
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:35,359
greatly appreciate it had a blast

1735
01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:36,960
okay you take care and i'll be talking

1736
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:43,349
now if you have an unexplained encounter

1737
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:44,640
or something

1738
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:46,400
feel free to contact me through the

1739
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:48,960
families and monsters blog site

1740
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:51,280
i want to again thank butch ryan and rob

1741
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:53,280
for joining me this evening

1742
01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:55,760
and thanks to each and all of you for

1743
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:57,760
watching and chatting

1744
01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:00,240
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1745
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:02,160
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1746
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:04,559
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1747
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:05,680
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1748
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:08,799
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1749
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:11,680
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